Doing Our Best
Doing Our Best is exactly what it sounds like. Nora Mae and Roger Weeks are two artists — singer-songwriters trying to make sense of art, life, and everything in between — and this is what it sounds like when they stop working and just talk. Pull up a seat on the couch: TV, film, pop culture, spirituality, whatever's on their minds that week. No format, no plan, just two friends doing their best.
Doing Our Best
Full Moonin'
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On this episode, we’re doing our best, as usual, at saying yes more often and staying open to opportunities as they come. We’re paying homage to the iconic Dolly Parton, talking about what “making it” really means to us, and getting into what we’re full mooning this lunar eclipse.
00:00 Intro
02:34 How Big Our World Has Gotten
07:13 Busy Philipps
10:09 "Sad" Transition
11:11 Dolly
17:37 Eclipse Release Reset
18:58 It's Going Down in NYC
24:15 Full Moonin'
29:20 "Making It"
35:50 Roger's LA Jaunt
39:43 Content Corner
41:14 Roger's Best
42:57 Nora's Best
44:14 Goodbye Eclipse Season
45:20 Like, Rate & Subscribe
47:22 Footsies
Doing our best.
SPEAKER_02Yao. Oh, that was good.
SPEAKER_03Hi. Episode six. Episode six, the redo.
SPEAKER_02The redo and the banked. So potentially an iconic episode.
SPEAKER_03The banked episode. That's also this is now our second time.
SPEAKER_02How's it going?
SPEAKER_03It's good. After this, I'm gonna go right to bed. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02I mean I'm not gonna be too far behind you. I have some emails. We've an early warning. I I feel like I may be entering. Do you know like sometimes you're in phases of life where you're just like sleep, it's a rarity. You know what I mean? It's over it's overrated. And a privilege.
SPEAKER_03I'll sleep when I'm dead.
SPEAKER_02No, I'm definitely sometimes I go into these eras when things get really busy where I'm like, it's like I can't sleep very well, do everything I have to do, and be there for the people I need to be there. You know what I mean? Do all the things.
SPEAKER_03And still sleep. See, I w I I'm one of those people who can't function without. I there are people who can't. I can't.
SPEAKER_02And I I'm one of those people, like you know, like I think if you've you've observed me long enough. I'm I'm not like one to just like get three hours of sleep. Like I typically do get seven to eight hours of sleep a night, and I feel it when I don't.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I feel it.
SPEAKER_02I feel drunk and hung over.
SPEAKER_03I feel hung over.
SPEAKER_02Um, but like on a night like tonight, where like the list is listing, the to-do list is listing.
SPEAKER_03Well, and you'll get to sleep on the plane tomorrow.
SPEAKER_02I'm going I'm going to LA tomorrow. Yes. I have an early flight at 9 a.m.
SPEAKER_03And who's driving to the airport?
SPEAKER_02And Nora May is so graciously and generously driving me to the airport.
SPEAKER_03It was not my idea.
SPEAKER_02It was it was not her idea. It was a favor that I asked, and I'm so grateful. And I, as a thank you, I I bought us dinner tonight. You did buy us dinner. I bought us a lovely dinner.
SPEAKER_03You bought us a lot of a lovely dinner.
SPEAKER_02Well, mid-dinner.
SPEAKER_03A mid-dinner. This keeps happening.
SPEAKER_02We we keep having mid dinners. Mid dinners. Yeah. We're picking the wrong spots.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02This wasn't the right God wanted us there. The margarita was.
SPEAKER_03It was a vibe. You got to see the the the energy, but this food was fine.
SPEAKER_02So it's like a it's like a restaurant with lore. So you know, I was excited to experience it. I've heard so much about this restaurant. Yeah. Oh, and then I'll be returning the favor of driving you to the airport like the next time that you go. I'm so excited to do that. I won't ask you to do that. I will. You know what I think about sometimes? How big our world has got. How big our world has gotten in all of the things we don't know about.
SPEAKER_03All the time. I think about this a lot with people because there are so many people and so many pieces of media, and you and I are up on our media. Almost a little too up. Almost a little too up. And I'll see a photo of someone that's, you know, whatever, or someone on the Today Show, someone doing press for a project, who's now all of a sudden the biggest, newest, hottest thing. And I'm like, who are they?
unknownTotally.
SPEAKER_03And then and then I go to their profile and they have like 12 million followers.
SPEAKER_02That was like Zara Larson for me. Where like I was like, who's this? And then I was like, oh my god, she's like global the whole.
SPEAKER_03Like, she's like, the only reason I knew about Zara Larson is because of my friend Annika, who who came to high school with us.
SPEAKER_02And and by the way, where does she live?
SPEAKER_03Denmark.
SPEAKER_02And who's what's everyone's last name in Denmark? Larson. Yeah, her husband. Isn't that crazy? Her husband loves it. For me, that's so crazy.
SPEAKER_03She told us about Lucas Graham and Zara Larson. Yeah. And she we I remember watching and this girl so Lucas Graham from there? I don't remember if he's Danish, but he's Norwegian or something. But he's from Scandinavian. The itch to Google. He's the the itch to Google and some reason.
SPEAKER_02Don't let me Google when I'm on the phone. I'll let you Google it.
SPEAKER_03I just think it's well because the last time that we ended up Googling on the forgotten episode that will never air. Or will it? Well on our I just don't think it was very good. We were basically on my phone the whole time because then we got on a rabbit hole of you asking me more questions to Google.
SPEAKER_01That's really funny. I kind of want to watch the episode now.
SPEAKER_03So my phone was just like. Anyway, I forget where he's from, but she showed us those two, and I remember us watching l videos of Zara singing on YouTube. She was so young. She must have been like Oh my god, no.
SPEAKER_02I did the deep dive too. Like I did I know the whole thing. She was like 12. She was like 12 when she started. Like she's been around.
SPEAKER_03Because we were only a few years older than her when she was a channel. She's a child star. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And but she's like 26, 27 now. Now, yes, I have to. I know it's a very far. She really broke through. Interesting because I was like watching one of her TikToks. I love that like she's chosen, her team has chosen for her to do these really like face-timey-esque TikToks, or she's like no makeup, and that's kind of jarring seeing Zara Larson without makeup because she's so glam.
SPEAKER_03I know someone on her team.
SPEAKER_02She's like no makeup and just so natural and living her like life in Denmark with her boyfriend, and then she's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Danish? I thought she was Swedish. Or Swedish.
SPEAKER_02I think she's Swedish. I should know. And like the video was um basically the tickets, I believe, in Bangkok were so expensive that no one in in Thailand could afford these Nara Larson tickets. And then also like they weren't selling. And the rest of her tour has been selling. And she made a TikTok and she was like addressing the cost, which she was like, I don't price my own tickets. Like that's in the hands of Live Nation or whoever's promoting the show. And so she was like noted, and I would like, and I'm making it a commitment to like be able to influence my ticket pricing, which I thought was like really cool. Um, because I think artists should really be the ones with power should be exercising.
SPEAKER_03And there are not that many artists that have that power.
SPEAKER_02No, no, and then yeah, so so she was talking about the the pricing, and then she was talking about how she's also new to Thailand. She's like, I'm not super big in Thailand yet. Like it's like happening now, but she was like, Look, I wasn't even big in America until a year ago.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I know it's crazy how quickly a superstar in America, and it's like she's like, you just unlock these different territories and portals. Yep. Um, and I think that's really interesting thinking about so many artists out there, not even just America that we don't know about. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like not even thinking about films and companies and people and movements, political movements, and wars we probably don't we probably don't even know about. You know what I mean? So um don't get me started. Um you know, so it's so crazy how big the world is.
SPEAKER_03It's just very big.
SPEAKER_02It just makes me want to live. There's a lot of okay because I feel like I could be so busy if I lived forever. Oh my god, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'd never get bored. No, I couldn't. There's endless things to exploit. Endless people to meet. Yeah. I agree. I yeah. I intend to like live for as long as I can, possibly.
SPEAKER_02Knock, knock, knock. Knock, knock, knock. Just like I like really and so does busy Phillips.
SPEAKER_03I love life. Oh yeah, busy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Okay. Have we have y'all heard about this busy Phillips?
SPEAKER_03Um You told me, you told me about it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So okay, Busy Phillips, one of my favorite comedians, personalities, actresses, writers, podcast hosts, influencer on the planet. I love her so much.
SPEAKER_03A multi-hyphenite.
SPEAKER_02A my a multi-hyphenate just like us. Um and real recognize real. She had a friend named James Vanderbeek who was she acted with in Montree Hill. And he recently passed away. Yeah, or yeah, Dawson's Creek. I always get those mixed up. That's okay. Um, Dawson's Creek, James Vanderbeek and Dawson's Creek. He recently died from cancer, and sh they were good friends, and she was like, as an an honor to him, I'm gonna get a pre-novo scan. Like one of those full-body scans that check for like everything.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_02And she went and she got the scan, and it was so funny because she got called in for Cupertino, this TV show that she just got, Cupertino. And it was she was in like career craziness and she was thinking about canceling um her scan, but um her ex-husband and her dearer, dearer friends, I love their like very modern family, kind of reminds me of like I feel like your parents' relationship was like, No, you should in honor of your friend, like keep the scan. Just keep the scan. Just go to just get the scan.
SPEAKER_03Her intuition was was was taken away.
SPEAKER_02And she got the scan, and the prenovo she got the pre novo scan. I hope I'm saying that correctly.
SPEAKER_03I think it's prenouve, but that's okay, it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so she got the pre-nuve scan, and her doctor called the next day and was like, um, we need to talk about your results. And she had a lesion on her brain. So scary. Um, that they were quickly able to rule out geoblastoma, which is like a really bad form of brain cancer, very fatal. And she has this like really slow growing, she's had this tumor for 10 years, brain tumor. Wow. She doesn't she does she's stage two, so she hasn't presented like any symptoms, um, which is great. And because it's slow growing, it is considered cancer because it can recur, but it's not aggressive.
SPEAKER_03Okay, great.
SPEAKER_02And she's also going to NYU Langone, which as we know is like a very good hospital. So she's under like our busy needs to be under like the best care possible. Thank you. Yeah. So, you know, it seems as though her prognosis is very, very, very good. Great. Um, so I'm just really happy that Busy's gonna like live forever because she's being proactive about her health, and would we love that? Very happy for Busy. We love you, Busy, and thank you for sharing your story. It's really inspiring and I think illuminating um a new era in um preventative care. So very exciting.
SPEAKER_03Completely sad transition to someone we do lose.
SPEAKER_01I feel like we cut it because I think it's not appropriate to be laughing.
SPEAKER_03I feel like we have to cut it, but we'll wait for it.
SPEAKER_01It's like gonna be different than like I we I can't wait to watch it myself.
SPEAKER_03I don't even know how to like get a stock. Someone we did list.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_03Maybe she rest.
SPEAKER_01I'm just still like on that. I need to get over it.
SPEAKER_02I'm so sorry. This is so annoying. But you know when you say something funny and and it sticks with you and it's like hard to like shake it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Better?
unknownI'm ready. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02I know what you're gonna say. Dolly, Dolly, Dolly, Dolly. We lost it, we lost an ice. We lost an icon. We lost an icon. We lost a light, a positive force, a generous force. I mean a philanthropist. A songwriter.
SPEAKER_03She is one of those beings who is a very rare one-of-one kind of being.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03With talent, grace. She was ahead of her time, cared about people, and like put her money where her mouth was.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03I really that was a big loss. And not one that I I felt like I had to be on my radar.
SPEAKER_02It was a little bit on it's been a little bit on my radar only because she has been canceling things. Got it. And Dolly canceling things is like, you pay attention. She's she's a workhorse. She is a workhorse. Um, she's very professional. And um, she always comes across as ironclad. Yeah. You know, through learning more about Dolly, I did hear she had health sh struggles when she was in her 30s. It sounded like she had like endo. And went through surgeries and and whatnot, which was I didn't I didn't know about. But she always comes across as so strong and and she looks amazing.
SPEAKER_03I think that's her her mental fortitude. She's just a really strong hi baby. A really strong force. She's a force of nature. Yeah. I love her.
SPEAKER_02I when it happened, it felt like okay, there was like before Dolly and after Dolly. There was a shift, for sure.
SPEAKER_03Energetically.
SPEAKER_02And we're also smack dab in this eclipse season. And also, you can't tell me it's freaking weird there's a hurricane named Dolly. I know. Or a tropical storm.
SPEAKER_03Named Dolly. It's a complete coincidence.
SPEAKER_02But it's like a coincidence, but I don't think it is.
SPEAKER_03Well, I think it's it's so divine. It reminds me of my when my grandmother passed, deciding to go on Christmas Day. Right. After being the singer of Santa Baby. Right.
SPEAKER_00Was so Earth the Kit. The great Earth Kid. The Great Earth Kid.
SPEAKER_03She that was so theatrical of her. Yeah. And Dolly is similar. You know, she's not going down without a fight. Dolly was such a force. Like, of course.
SPEAKER_02And it's very much like life imitates art. Yeah. Very much like with Hurricane Dolly and Earth the Kit dying on Christmas. Yeah. It's very like life imitates art for me. Um very much. I also think it really speaks to the energy she put out into the universe watching the collective response.
SPEAKER_03Yes. It it was a cultural shift and everyone's responses have been really like, oh, she affected a lot of people's lives. Yes. Even if it's not like they were the biggest fans of her music, or they like talk about her all the time, or they had her posters on her wall. She just touched like every corner of the universe.
SPEAKER_02And she did deserve to live longer. Dolly like had more light to top.
SPEAKER_03Well, I think the beauty is that now it's like fuck cancer. She will she will forever. And fuck cancer. And fuck cancer. Big time. Big fuck cancer. Big fucking time. But she will continue to, you know? In her passing, her light her light continues on. With or without her. Oh, Loki knows I'm sad.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, being comfort in.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's dub. She's like sweet. Very proud of you.
SPEAKER_02Thank you, Loki. Loki likes to comfort me when I'm sad.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, she's good at that. Or dripping on mushrooms. Heard. Yeah. Yeah, really, really, really sad. Anyway, we love you, Dolly. We love you, Dolly. Thank you for everything you gave us in this world and this industry. We uh we will hopefully do you proud.
SPEAKER_02You know who Dolly sometimes reminds me of in like her business? Walt Disney. Because she has a theme park that I really want to go visit. I'm sure that that theme park is gonna be popping off.
SPEAKER_03Popping off.
SPEAKER_02Um ticket sales at the walks. I really want to go to Dollywood now, especially. We can go. Um because she created a theme park. Yep. And then she also created like massive hotels in and around the theme park, and then also like in other parts of like Tennessee, like in the mountains. She has like this massive, huge like hotel resort, the gorgeous like luxury mountain resort.
SPEAKER_03Give us give us, I guess, a hundred more years and we'll see what happens. Maybe Dollywood does become like a Disney.
SPEAKER_02A Disney. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. They could open another location in California or whatever.
SPEAKER_02Who knows like their plans? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Who knows?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. It seems like there's like a whole business behind Dolly.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But even so, even with the whole business and it being sort of this institution, it never felt, she never felt like she never felt like an institution. No. The brand of Dolly was, but she still felt very human.
SPEAKER_02She felt very uh has always been accessible. Which is also crazy because like she's in in like huge amounts of makeup and in wardrobe.
SPEAKER_03And for some reason it never took away from her from her authenticity. It totally came across as still being very yeah, accessible and real.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Very real.
SPEAKER_02I think that she deserved and deserves a state funeral. Maybe she doesn't want that. She had a very small private, but I'm like, Dolly could have the funeral.
SPEAKER_03She could have, but yeah, I see her.
SPEAKER_02I, you know, but but I like that she didn't.
SPEAKER_03I do too. It's classy. It's very classy. Very classy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Not to say it's not classy to have a big funeral.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, if you'd like to have one. Anyone can do whatever they want. Anyone can do whatever they want with their funeral.
SPEAKER_02With their funeral. Oh my god, yeah, we were talking about that actually, weren't we?
SPEAKER_03Well, you were you were saying you want to host one before you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I was like, if I'm like 85, I'm like honestly like, hey, we're gonna have a celebration of me.
SPEAKER_03A celebration of my life while I'm here.
SPEAKER_02While I'm here.
SPEAKER_03I think that's nice. I'll come. I mean, it could just be a remote.
SPEAKER_02Hi.
SPEAKER_01Hi.
SPEAKER_02We needed to like snap out of talking about Dolly because I was Death and Dolly. But I think it's the eclipse. The full moon eclipse.
SPEAKER_03It's very So what are you releasing this full moon? What am I releasing? Yeah. Full moon's good for that.
SPEAKER_02What are you releasing?
SPEAKER_03I asked you first.
SPEAKER_01Um okay.
SPEAKER_02I'm no longer like white knuckling my career or life. So I'm just surrendering and releasing. I want to surrender and release, and I think I've been doing so much of that this year. The most I've ever freaking done.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, same.
SPEAKER_02And um I'm continuing that because I can feel this crazy energy surrounding me where this week I really feel like my career is unlocking.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02And my life is evolving. Where I don't think I think when this lease ends, I think we'll so naturally flow into whatever our next step is. Whether, you know, what city we live in, what how like I guess, yeah, what city we live in. That's okay. But um amen. Which it's we'll be doing like what we're doing now, right? No matter where we are. I can I was like, I feel our tribe alft. You know how I feel about Tribeca.
SPEAKER_01I was like, I was like, that was like me today.
SPEAKER_03I was like, I the Tribeca loft feels so fun. The Tribeca loft is pending.
SPEAKER_02The Tribeca lofting. It's an escrow. I'm an escarrow.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, if you know that.
SPEAKER_02If you're finding my first house, I'm gonna be quoting that forever.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. I don't know, I'm an escrow. Oh, it's so good, DJ.
SPEAKER_02I feel like I'm an escrow on my escarrow. And I love that feeling. It's so fun and limitless. I love that. And that's what I like about New York, is it really feels like kind of the big like the the the final boss. It's like it's the big apple. Like shit's going down in New York.
SPEAKER_03It's going down in New York.
SPEAKER_02Shit's going down in New York. Yeah. You guys. It really is. Everyone's like, yeah. They're like, we know.
SPEAKER_03It is though.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's going down in New York. What's going on? It is.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah. It New York to me feels like a snow globe.
SPEAKER_03In what way?
SPEAKER_02Like it's just such a tiny piece of land.
SPEAKER_03With so much on it.
SPEAKER_02I'm just everywhere I've lived has been always so spread out, you know, and massive.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It's a pretty big island, though. It is a big island. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But with how many people that are there?
SPEAKER_03Yes. Yes. It's tiny, tiny amount of things. You just keep going up and up and up. And it just kind of feels like it's in like a dome.
SPEAKER_02Like you know what I mean? No, that's fair. I understand that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But you got all five boroughs, don't forget.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, oh, I know there's five boroughs. Can you name them?
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_02Manhattan. Yeah. Queens. Um Bronx. Brooklyn. And oh, and there's one more.
SPEAKER_03This is the one that always trips everyone up.
SPEAKER_02Okay, this is the one that always trips everyone out. I think so. Okay. Um it's not. Can I have a hint?
SPEAKER_03There's one hint I could give you that will give it away.
SPEAKER_02Oh, Long Island?
SPEAKER_03No. But it's not, it sounds kind of like Staten Island.
SPEAKER_02Staten Island. Yeah, I wouldn't have gotten there. Staten Island is just like not very present in my brain. That's so fair. It's kind of crazy, we're so close to it. Have I been there? No, no.
SPEAKER_03And I think that's fine. Sorry. I'm so sorry, Staten Island, but like whatever.
SPEAKER_02I really want you to take me.
SPEAKER_03Where?
SPEAKER_02Coney Island.
SPEAKER_03I'll take you to Coney Island. Okay. It's been a long time since I've been to Coney Island, but yeah. That will be fun. I have not been to Coney Island almost 20 years.
SPEAKER_02Do we just go you and me, or do we bring people? Coney Island is Maddie wouldn't want to go.
SPEAKER_03I mean she'll want she would be down for the adventure with us. I don't think she will like it. Um no, I think. We can we could have a splendid time. It would be so interesting to take you to Coney Island. I haven't been in so long. It's probably way jankier than I remember. And I remember it janky. And we can do we just take the train there? You can take the train to Coney Island, yes. Wow.
SPEAKER_02That's what I love about New York. It's so like you can just take the train.
SPEAKER_03You can take the train stuff.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I've never been to the Hamptons. I wonder what that means. Like, this is one of those places where I feel like it c it calls someone. You're called to the Hamptons. Like, I'm not called to the Hamptons.
SPEAKER_03I haven't been called to the Hamptons in quite some time.
SPEAKER_02I'm surprised that you weren't called to the Hamptons this summer, honestly.
SPEAKER_03I wasn't called I was invited to the Hamptons this summer, but I was not, I either wasn't here. I was in LA for one of them.
SPEAKER_01Okay. See, I I prove my point.
SPEAKER_03I wasn't called though. I wasn't um I didn't feel called.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like it, you know, like you were called.
SPEAKER_03I didn't feel called. It kind of reminds me of you know when you go to Coachella.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And all those people who that's okay.
SPEAKER_02I'm I'm enthralled. It's just late. You know what I mean? So it's just it was a yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's okay. No keep going. You know when you go to Coachella and like the and people are staying, some people are staying in Palm Springs, some people are staying in Indio, some people are staying in, you know, Joshua True. Yes. And all those people are you know, say, I'm going to Coachella this weekend. Yeah, we're staying in whatever. But some of those, some of those drives are 30, 45 minutes to Coachella, to the Indio, to the actual venue. That's kind of how I feel about the Hamptons. You could be in the Hamptons and be 45 minutes away from the Hamptons.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You could be 45 minutes away from another Hamptons.
SPEAKER_02Well, it seems so far and like it's like not far. It's like kind of like I can get to Maine in like just another hour. It's like it's three and a half hours to get to Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
SPEAKER_03Right. So anyway. Which is kind of sick. That's kind of sick.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Oh, the Eastern Seaboard.
SPEAKER_03Oh, the Eastern Seaboard. I've been saying it for years. Oh, the Eastern. Oh, the Eastern Seaboard. Um, do you want to hear what I'm releasing for this full moon?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgot we were full moonin'.
SPEAKER_03I we are full moonin'. That was funny. What I'm full moon in. Yeah. What are you full moon in? I'm full mooning um envy. Jealousy in comparison.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's good to release.
SPEAKER_03Releasing that, feeling jealous of people who have things that I want. Yeah. In positions that I want to be in.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And not feeling angry at the fact that I do not feel I am there or like have those opportunities yet. And that's and that's that is probably my my the hardest wound for me to get over right now in general.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. Like it is it's surrounding a specific thing. It's like music. Just like, yeah, oh, it's all career. It's all career.
SPEAKER_03Seeing other artists or or actors in positions that I wish that I was in.
SPEAKER_02You know how I know that we really like want it, like our careers, is I have so many people in my life right now who have because I of course have that it's really hard not to. I have like people in my life who have that, and it's like but it's about like kids, like not having kids or something. And I love and like for us, it's like Oh yeah, I'm I'm good on that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I'm good for right now. Like you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_03Yes, it feels good that it's about that for that.
SPEAKER_02Yes, but like that's how I would relate that to is like wanting something so bad. You just want it really bad. Also, time is really hard and it just slips away from us, and so there's this anxiety too of comparing where everyone's at on their journey.
SPEAKER_03And and I don't usually have anxiety around my age.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I still feel very young and like I have so much to give and so much time and so much to learn. But the only times that I do start to feel that I take note of feeling older are when I look at these young buck artists who are doing things that I wish I was doing at my age, 10 years my junior. And I am just like, oh, right. I am not I mean, I still feel very young, but right, I am not that the young buck anymore who's gonna be the you know, 18-year-old who pops on the scene that knocks everybody out of their, you know, knocks everyone's socks off. And that's and it's fine, and I've released that. Yes. But I've had to really come to terms with the fact that even though I still feel that way inside, it is not the reality, and that's okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But it's having to release the disappointment or the jealousy that you know, the other people who do have it, because they're the people that I uh feel like I've felt this about, I also feel are very talented and deserving of it. Of course. And so it's not that I wish I was in their place because I wish that they didn't have it, it's that I wish that I also had it.
SPEAKER_02You wish you had all those people like wanting extremely your album and going to your shows. Yep. Being an artist is the hardest thing that you know I've ever done. And and I was on the phone with my you know, label team, and we were talking about this song that I had that just came out, and like I'm like, it's like, you know, we're starting small. And someone on the phone call was like, who I really respect, was like, well, we're starting small, but if we stay consistent and keep going, we'll end up somewhere bigger.
SPEAKER_03Well, because everything as we keep saying, everything is compounded.
SPEAKER_02And then he was also like, and he was also like, This isn't sexy. He's like, being an artist, he's not sexy. And he was like, this is really hard. Being an artist is really hard. And he said it in a way that wasn't condescending. No, and he said it in a way that was just nice to like have that reminder of like in that he sees it. For sure. I really respect it, and that's what it felt like. And he was just like, it's not sexy, this is hard. It's really hard. And it is the game. And what people see online give up.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. What people see online often looks a lot sexier than what it is on our end. Yeah. But yes, you're right. It's the it's just a game of who won't give up.
SPEAKER_02Who won't give up.
SPEAKER_03Who just keep who just keeps who just keeps on going. And those are the people who who get there.
SPEAKER_02Who just keeps on going.
SPEAKER_03Because obviously there are people who it's just, you know, timing, luck, life, whatever. You can never plan for it. But there are no two stories that are the same. None. And we always say this it's that no one who is an artist that you know of has the exact same path to or followed a formula that someone else followed. Everyone's story is so different of how they've made it in this industry, in their own, you know, whatever that means to them, whatever making it means in each person's career path is different as well.
SPEAKER_00What does it mean for you?
SPEAKER_03What making it means? I think for me, making it means being able to support myself and you know, my family and my well-being fully from living this creative industry, music, acting, writing, directing. I wanna I'd love to tour with you know symphonies and orchestras. I'd love to work with composers. Making it for me would be having the freedom to take on projects, creative projects that I am passionate about because I am comfortable in my life working on projects that have like real respect. Yeah, and that I really love and feel passionate about that can sustain my life, yeah, and my family. And my dog.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. And my house. Period.
SPEAKER_03And my apartment in Paris.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Like in my apartment in New York.
SPEAKER_03In my apartment in New York.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Like in my farmhouse in Connecticut. Yes.
SPEAKER_03But when a lot of people like my publicist effect uh uh have asked me in the past, like whose career do you like? To emulate is the wrong word because it's not that you want to follow in their footsteps, but who whose career path have you really liked what they've done and their level of fame and whatever? And one of my answers has always been Lady Gaga.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03She's so well respected across the industry. She's doing acting, she's doing music, she's working on film scores, she's doing companion songs and albums for film.
SPEAKER_02She's clearly so inspired by her work.
SPEAKER_03And she obviously loves it, and she's so talented and recognized by the fans and by the and by the industry, but it doesn't feel she still, in a similar way to Dolly, still feels very human. Yeah. Even with you know, being in the crazy costuming and makeup, still has this level of authenticity and accessibility that I think is really beautiful, but she's relatively private. Yeah. Like you, you know, she's lives her life on a day-to-day basis, and I don't, you know, hear about her every second of every day. I don't. And I I love that. Yeah. And I feel like she is a she her career is a really lovely uh example of something that I would, you know, aspire to have. What would making it be for you?
SPEAKER_02Making it for me would be making mm a living full-time from just my songs and performing. And also being able to build a team where I feel like because I feel like I'm I loved when I worked my corporate job, like feeling like a leader and like, you know, feeling like I could bring out people's certain things in people and build a a team and like a hum with a group. And like that's kind of my dream where I can like I have like a like a a team and we're all like working together and I'm able to delegate in a way that allows me to work on all the things that um fuel me, which is more than just like music in my songs, but most of all making it for me is like playing huge venues sold out. But yeah, I don't need them to be like stadiums. I don't know, like whatever feels right. I think I just think like connecting with people in in a way that feels like um my music traveled and and met people with where they're at in their life and I love that. And then like meeting the people who I connect with it, I think that's so special and like it's happened already, and like that's like such like a feeling that like is irreplaceable. That's awesome. Um and then building a lake house and like having a boat and just like being able to like check out. And the lake is like what I feel like with my blood.
SPEAKER_03Honestly, sorry to interrupt. Making it for me is being so successful enough to be able to check out the fuck out. So true.
SPEAKER_02No, I think like honestly, the dream is like your your music is just like streaming.
SPEAKER_03That's what's sustained. It's sustained so that I don't have to be on social media.
SPEAKER_01I pray every day that the streams pick up.
SPEAKER_03Like I don't have to post. I get to I pop in, do my thing, the streams are streaming, the movies are moving, everything's moving along so that I can check out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's beautiful. You know what also making it is to me is like when I think of myself, because I've been thinking about aging, and you know, when you're 32, it's like you're like not a kid anymore, and you're like, okay, all of a sudden I'm gonna be 42 and then 52 and 62. Like, you know, you start thinking. And I'm like, what do I want to be like when I'm like in my 60s, 70s, 80s, Roger? You know? And I'm like, I want to be like Ina Garden.
SPEAKER_03Do you know who Ina Garden is? I know Ina. Yeah, I want to be. I was a food network girl, so I know. I know Ina.
SPEAKER_02And like I'll have a cookbook and an album. And then we gotta get you to the Hamptons. And like an occasional I think I think we have to get you to the Hamptons.
SPEAKER_03Isn't that where Ina is? He is in fact in the Hamptons. Yeah, we gotta get you to the Hamptons to see Aina.
SPEAKER_02Oh, but that that would be a dream come true. I would that would be like a levitation station day for me. I'd be like, Ina, Iina.
SPEAKER_03Like, that's insane.
SPEAKER_02I feel like it's gonna happen. I feel like we're probably gonna right now on the eclipse.
SPEAKER_03Hello, Ina.
SPEAKER_02But yeah. Ina? Ina, is that you? And also, yeah, just like being able to fund my crazy ideas. And like being able to do crazy music videos and like And we want to make movies too.
SPEAKER_03To be able to like independently fund your own movies because our music is doing so well. What a dream.
SPEAKER_02Yes, or like being able to create um, you know, when you go to a concert and you see someone who's who has incredible stage production, that's a privilege. And they've earned it's a privilege, and they've also earned that because that means they've worked really fucking hard and it's worked, and people are putting money into their stage production. So that would be a dream, like to be able to like make a stage. Like, are you kidding? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Meryl Streep.
SPEAKER_02What about her?
SPEAKER_03That's another uh career I really admire.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah. Well she's like I mean, duh. She she oh my god, duh.
SPEAKER_03Duh. So tomorrow you're going to LA.
SPEAKER_02Tomorrow, and like as in like very soon.
SPEAKER_03As in sooner than I've got to go.
SPEAKER_02I'm going to LA. Me too. I'm like, maybe I should move my flight because I can for free is out there saying. I will look at those flights.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, look at the flights, see what happens.
SPEAKER_02And we can just bump it just like a little farther.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, if that's gonna help with the weather, unless it'll help unless it'll hurt. Is it supposed to be weather tomorrow afternoon?
SPEAKER_02No, I got this notification that was like move your flight. Or it's gonna be canceled. Or it's gonna be canceled. Yeah. Um and I was like, no, it's not. Watch it be canceled.
SPEAKER_03No, it might be- I think you might be okay.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, so I'm gonna land tomorrow and go to my friend Sam's in Santa Monica.
SPEAKER_03And this is your first time back to LA since. Since I've left.
SPEAKER_02It's gonna be a big deal.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I'm scared. Roger's return, the prodigal son returns.
SPEAKER_02The prodigal son. We'll see, we'll see what happens. Um, and then Saturday is Daisy Chain Fields.
SPEAKER_03Daisy Chain did hang on Daisy Chain Fields.
SPEAKER_02Daisy Chainfields on Saturday. I get to see Eli live for the first time. Fun. I'm so excited. And I got to see Mitsuki, and I get to see Olivia and Stevie. Granted that the heat or the or the uh thunderstorms don't get in my way. I think it will be okay. I am dealing with a lot of moving parts.
SPEAKER_03Moving parts, aka Mother Nature Nature and her unpredictability, and her unpredictability and our inability to control it.
SPEAKER_02I'm finding Delta, which I'm really excited about. You know I'm a Delta girl. Yes. So we know I'll have a nice experience.
SPEAKER_03You will have a lovely experience.
SPEAKER_02Thank you, Delta.
SPEAKER_03Thank you, Delta. Hey, by the way, talking speaking about manifesting sponsors.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Delta arrow.
SPEAKER_03And our word from our sponsor. Our word from our sponsor. Yeah, Delta. Just saying.
SPEAKER_02I had another one that I wanted.
SPEAKER_03This could be a great get for you. I will not. I don't even shut up about Delta in my real life. It's okay. Yeah, great get for us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they're definitely like the best airline. They're the best airline. Sunday, I'm gonna go to an Almost Monday. There's our biggest fan. If you know, you know.
SPEAKER_03Almost Monday fans, we love you.
SPEAKER_02We love you so much. Um we love the Almost Monday as a fan of the pod. And so I was invited to their like album party in Malibu on Sunday night. And then is this gonna be a week, dude? It's gonna be a week.
SPEAKER_03It's gonna be a week.
SPEAKER_02It's gonna be a week.
SPEAKER_03It's gonna be great.
SPEAKER_02I know. I actually don't have many sessions. So that's fine. No, which is fine.
SPEAKER_03And things might come up too.
SPEAKER_02I have like one with Tay. With Taylor. Hi Tay. And then I'm also performing on Thursday, so I'm doing like a lot of like preparation.
SPEAKER_03Tell us about the performance.
SPEAKER_02I'm performing the last time on guitar and vocal. And either as long as I'm with you or spoiler on guitar and vocal. I have a lot to learn in the next week.
SPEAKER_03That's fine.
SPEAKER_02But I think it's good because I need to start preparing for October.
SPEAKER_03It's gonna be here before you know it.
unknownFuck.
SPEAKER_03But you still have time to prepare, but it's just so exciting that it's gonna be here before you know it. It's great. It's great. It's great visibility.
SPEAKER_02Oh, it's definitely visible.
SPEAKER_03Time time to put you up on that stage, honey. Time to prop you up on there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so it but I think this is good having the performance to prep for. Yep. Performance, like it's like a content shoot. It'll be interesting just to be back in my old stomping grounds and to see like what it brings up. To be at my coffee shops. We'll see. It could, it could, I could see it going in a way where I'm like, oh my god, no. Like I need to come back here. I need this is where I'm gonna go next. I could see it also going in a way where I'm like, okay.
SPEAKER_03Like I'm I'm very open to like Again, this time of our lives is very surrendered.
SPEAKER_02Yes. And so I don't really know like what it's gonna feel like.
SPEAKER_03Okay, well, before we send you.
SPEAKER_02Sorry to talk so much about that. Please. Who cares? It's fine.
SPEAKER_03Who cares? It's our podcast. I wish we were watching anything. I wish we were watching something that we could also talk about, but we haven't watched anything.
SPEAKER_02The point is still with me.
SPEAKER_03It's still with me. It's still top of mind.
SPEAKER_02It's still top of mind.
SPEAKER_03I am reading Dean and Alley's book of off campus right now. Yeah. I'll go ahead and say, John Logan's still my favorite one.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03Of my of the books. Okay. Still still my favorite book. You're a huge fan of him. The second book. I just it was uh that made kind of made me a John Logan girl. I love it. Well, you know I'm a Garrett girl.
SPEAKER_02Everyone kind of gets their time to shine in this series. I agree.
SPEAKER_03And I'm excited to see all their all their different seasons. They've done a great job of making me actually excited to see everyone's season.
SPEAKER_02It's a brilliant structure to like a show.
SPEAKER_03And and great casting. Yeah. And the great chemistry between the cast because I genuinely am excited for everyone's seasons, and I don't even, you know, I didn't even know what their love stories were like or what happens in the seasons yet, but they just made me care about the characters. Yes. Because they were so I think so well cast. But anyway, yes. I'm I'm reading that. I think Baby Doll's gotten her flowers. I think Baby Doll's getting plenty of flowers. And we are very happy for Jamie and for Haley. Oh my god. And everyone involved. Yes. Um, but before we send you off on your way to La La Land. And by the time this episode comes out, you will already be back. You will have gotten back yesterday. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, are you gonna ask me what I'm doing my best at?
SPEAKER_03What are you doing your best at?
unknownI haven't even thought about that.
SPEAKER_03Because we sort of, I guess, touched on in a different way what we were releasing during the full moon, but different question.
SPEAKER_02So Okay, what am I doing my best at?
SPEAKER_03I am doing And you're barred from saying posting.
SPEAKER_02I know. I am doing my best at not being scared to say yes.
SPEAKER_03Love. Yeah. And just saying yes.
SPEAKER_02Like my year of yes.
SPEAKER_03Year of yes.
SPEAKER_02And then like kind of like figuring it out and just having fun and being girly about it. Yeah. Kind of just saying yes to like like what the universe is putting in front of me.
SPEAKER_03Yes to life.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I I really like that.
SPEAKER_02And I also like that I'm in this my life structure is I can say yes to things right now, but it's not like I'm saying yes. It was always like Roger, do you want this job that you have to work at forever? And I'd be like, yes. That excite. They're exciting and they're also like shorter term commitment things.
SPEAKER_03And interesting.
SPEAKER_02And interesting. So why not?
SPEAKER_03Why not? Yes. You're gonna learn something along the way, maybe meet some people.
SPEAKER_02Being open to love. So that's what I'm doing my best at. Okay. Love them. It's like opening up my heart and just being like, it's gonna happen. It of course is. Because I've been in very cynical phases with love before. Where I'm like, you know, but like it's going to. I'm so in like Dululu where I'm like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_03It's gonna.
SPEAKER_02It's so crazy that I'm in love. You're much like this. I'm a I'm in a power couple. Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing your best at?
SPEAKER_03Honestly, kind of similar.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03I'm doing my best at well. Sometimes. Sometimes I'm not doing so good at it. I'm trying to do my best at being open-minded to opportunities.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And whether that's even just from, oh, I'm, you know, getting a ping to try something or do something, even if it's not really what I thought I'd do or thought I could ever do, are just things that I never would have thought. Oh, this is Zelane for you. But if it starts to feel like, oh, maybe it could be, just not really questioning it and just kind of following intuition, which I also feel like is something that I have said on this podcast before that I was doing my best at. But I'm being more open minded to not to to to broadening my horizons. Yeah. Saying yes to random opportunities or sessions or meetings or stuff. 'Cause you never know.
SPEAKER_00You never know. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'm doing my best at being more open minded to opportunities and broadening my horizons. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I hope y'all are manifesting this eclipse, even though it's two weeks in the past.
SPEAKER_03I hope you guys did ha I hope you had a lovely eclipse by the time this happens. Our eclipse episode must be crazy. This I mean now the title. This portal is over now. So I hope it wasn't I hope it was okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. For you. For us, we're about we're like in in real time. Yeah. It was good. This eclipse kicked my butt. We are zeroing in on the peak right now.
SPEAKER_03This eclipse season kind of kicked my butt.
SPEAKER_02Mine too. Yeah, I'm gonna see if I can move my flight.
SPEAKER_01I need to move my flight because it's the eclipse.
SPEAKER_02I'll just like look at my phone and see what the flight offers.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, just see what you're see what your situation is. What is making you feel like you want to move your flight?
SPEAKER_02Because I feel like I have a lot to like to do.
SPEAKER_03And so you'd prefer to what go tomorrow afternoon?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, just like a little later. And have a little bit more time in the morning. Versus having to like wake up so yeah ghastly early, you know. Yeah. So and it doesn't matter. I mean, like, it's fine. It's fine. But maybe I won't. We'll see. But I may look at my phone and there could be a fly. You know what? Look at your phone. A few hours later, more sleep than I can get. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And me too.
SPEAKER_02Because I would like more sleep.
SPEAKER_03Me too.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Love you guys for liking subscribing the pod. Every like subscribe. If you've made it this far, like you might as well rate the podcast. We would prefer five stars, but rate it, rate what we think we deserve.
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SPEAKER_03Did my mom ever tell you where her comment went?
SPEAKER_02Where it?
SPEAKER_03Where what is it? Is it YouTube?
SPEAKER_02Your mom's hate comment was on YouTube. Okay. And I read it.
SPEAKER_03And it is?
SPEAKER_02And it is. It says? Okay. So the comment on your mom's, the hate comment on your mom's YouTube channel. Is on the video your mom posted on?
SPEAKER_03No, the one she posted, the one she posted. Oh. Our hate comment.
SPEAKER_02I was like, you really want me to know.
SPEAKER_01I was like, I don't want to talk about the fur bath right now. I was like, how am I gonna oh yes?
SPEAKER_02Your mom's hate comment that she's mad that we like don't care about.
SPEAKER_01That we hadn't even seen.
SPEAKER_03I haven't seen it. Where is it?
SPEAKER_02I love how that she was mad about it. Is it on YouTube? She's number one hater.
SPEAKER_03Where is it?
SPEAKER_00Um she says on YouTube.
SPEAKER_02I think it's on YouTube. I think I saw it on YouTube.
SPEAKER_00What did she say?
SPEAKER_02She was just like, I usually love this pod, but like they spoiled Spider-Man for me. So I'm kind of really annoyed.
SPEAKER_01It was like kind of funny.
SPEAKER_03She is funny. She's such a girl. She's boosting. She's boosting. Listen. No such thing as Fabras. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01Boost that.
SPEAKER_02Boost that. Boost that. Alright, you guys.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, thank you so much. We've been talking for a while. I don't even know what about. It's gonna be a three hour. So sorry. And by the way, we're so sorry. So sorry for this episode. We're sorry about this podcast episode. It's the eclipse. It's hard. It's the eclipse.
SPEAKER_02Alright, I need to go move on, I guess, into the I need to go move on.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I need to move on.
SPEAKER_02I need to move on for this podcast.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02For today.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Okay. Are your feet really small? Or is it just the angle I'm looking at?
SPEAKER_02Well, I haven't I'm a nine and a half in men's.
SPEAKER_03Is that small?
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Maybe it's just the angle I'm looking at.
SPEAKER_00Remember we're the same foot size.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00Right?
SPEAKER_02I'm pretty sure we're the same foot size.
SPEAKER_03I have a I have an eight in the men's. You're an eight in the men's.
SPEAKER_02Okay, no, I'm nine and a half.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Or nine and a half to ten. I don't think I have like the craziest, largest feet. See, our feet seem kind of simple.
SPEAKER_03Why do mine look bigger than yours? I actually had to put my foot in my hand like that.
SPEAKER_02I think my feet are why I'm not athletic.
SPEAKER_01I think I need I think they need it to be bigger.
SPEAKER_03Well you stay upright just fine.
SPEAKER_02And that's all they're so looking for. So far. And that's all they're making. I do I do fall. If your feet falls.
SPEAKER_03If your feet like that are in the We're cutting it.
SPEAKER_01Okay, we're we're done.
SPEAKER_03Okay, we're done.
